Art’s Eye for Evil

In the past several years I have reflected a lot on how I get more out of reading fiction books than non-fiction. I don’t say this just from an entertainment factor, but also from a deeper learning perspective. Interestingly, as I have in the last five years been intensively studying C. S. Lewis, GeorgeMacDonald, and Dorothy Sayers, and their appreciation for fiction, I have found fiction to be a major influencer of these author’s work and lives. Learning this has made me feel, not quite so “out there” in my thinking. In reading Dr. Richard Hughes Gibson’s just released and awesome book, The Way of Dante: Going Through Hell, Purgatory, and Heaven with C.S. Lewis, Dorothy L. Sayers, and Charles Williams (2025), the influence of fiction writing was even further affirmed.

Gibson noted, “…the fact that my archival labors revealed daily how thoroughly Dante had infiltrated my trio’s [C. S. Lewis, Dorothy L. Sayers, and Charles Williams] reading and writing lives” (p. xvii). Gibson’s new book interested me on several levels, but this idea of influence really interested me. Then at the beginning of Chapter 6, The Problem of Glory, Gibson asserted that, “EVIL MAY BE A PROBLEM for philosophers and theologians, but it is no problem for artists” (page 123). I loved this because it drove home what I have been saying about narrative artists and the power of fiction for years now – we get to see all the context and all the complexity of the characters. The artist reveals everything we need to know. This doesn’t happen, at least not all the time, with non-fiction.
Dr. Gibson referenced philosopher Agnes Callard saying, “Callard, let me be clear, thinks that art’s eye for evil is a good thing. Amid our busy lives, we look at the world with a purpose, and our purposes become blinders, obscuring our recognition of the ‘irrelevant, the unhelpful, and the downright wicked.’ Artists, by contrast, ‘take a long hard look at what the rest of us can’t bring ourselves to examine; they are our eyes and ears’” (p. 124). This illuminates the distinction between everyday perception and artistic perception. Callard suggested that people generally view the world through a purpose-driven lens, focusing on what matters to us—our goals, needs, and interests. This focus acts like blinders, preventing us from noticing things that don’t directly relate to our intentions, including aspects that might be irrelevant, unhelpful, or even morally troubling.
Gibson’s appreciation is for the artist’s role in providing a deeper, more honest perspective—especially regarding the presence of evil or wickedness—something that society generally tends to shy away from confronting directly. The emphasis, according to Gibson, is the importance of art as a means of truth-telling and of gaining a more comprehensive understanding of reality, beyond our convenient but limited viewpoints.
The Problem of Glory

“Glory, simply put, is a problem” (p. 126). This statement by Dr. Richard Hughes Gibson in his just released book, The Way of Dante: Going Through Hell, Purgatory, and Heaven with C. S. Lewis, Dorothy L. Sayers, and Charles Williams (2025), is such an apt view of glory. We can look at glory as problematic both from a Christian aspect and our everyday lives. Glory is very hard to define and hard to grasp. Gibson pointed out that C.S. Lewis viewed the idea of “glory” as problematic primarily because it can be misunderstood or misused.

In his writings, especially in The Problem of Pain and The Weight of Glory, C. S. Lewis emphasized that true glory is rooted in humility and is ultimately a reflection of God’s greatness, rather than something to be sought for personal pride or recognition. Lewis wrote in is 1941 sermon The Weight of Glory, “Salvation is constantly associated with palms, crowns, white robes, thrones, and splendor like the sun and stars. All this makes no immediate appeal to me at all, and in that respect I fancy I am a typical modern” (p. 35). Lewis went on to say, “Either glory means to me fame, or it means luminosity. As for the first, since to be famous means to be better known than other people, the desire for fame appears to me as a competitive passion and therefore of hell rather than heaven. As for the second, who wishes to become a kind of living electric light bulb?” (p. 36).
Lewis was warning against pursuing glory as a means to elevate oneself above others or to gain superficial honor, as this can lead to pride and spiritual downfall. Instead, he was advocating understanding glory as a gift from God, something bestowed in humility and gratitude, not a human achievement to be flaunted. We would all do well to remember this is our everyday lives today.
Creating Our Own Cages

I am a huge Asking Alexandria fan and their song “Into The Fire” which was released in 2017 has always caused me to do some heavy reflection every time I hear it. After hearing it again while spending some quality time in the tractor cab recently, I even pulled out my highlighted and heavily annotated copies of C. S. Lewis’s The Great Divorce and The Problem of Pain while reflecting on the song. I’ll get to the notes I pulled in from those works in a moment. For now let’s discuss “Into the Fire” as a powerful and emotionally charged song that I believe explores themes of inner struggle, pain, and seeking redemption. That is the beauty of great art and artists like the members of Asking Alexandria; it allows us to make our own interpretations. The lyrics allow the listener a dynamic interaction between artist and listener with meaning not always fixed by the artist.
In my reflection and thoughts, the song conveys a sense of facing darkness and trying to overcome personal demons or difficult circumstances. The metaphor of going “into the fire” suggests enduring hardship or confronting intense emotions in the hope of eventual healing or growth. Sometimes we have to realize we are who we are and that we must go into the fire.
Verse 1 of “Into the Fire” says, “I’m not too sure what I’m supposed to do with this; These hands, this mind, this instability; From a cage I created to a Hell that Heaven made.” Here, the lyrics express confusion and uncertainty about how to handle our own abilities and mental state. “These hands” and “this mind” symbolize our physical actions and thoughts, respectively, suggesting we may feel overwhelmed or unprepared to control or utilize them effectively. The mention of “instability” indicates inner turmoil or emotional instability, highlighting inner conflict.
The line, “From a cage I created to a Hell that Heaven made” reflects a sense of self-imprisonment—we’ve created limitations or barriers (“a cage”) around ourselves, perhaps through fears, doubts, or negative patterns. The phrase “to a Hell that Heaven made” suggests that despite the potential for goodness or salvation (“Heaven”), the circumstances or internal struggles have transformed that potential into suffering (“Hell”). It could imply that one’s own actions or perceptions have turned a positive environment into a painful one.
This all reminded me that C. S. Lewis said, “I willingly believe that the damned are, in one sense, successful, rebels to the end; that the doors of hell are locked on the inside” in The Problem of Pain. Many times we do create our own “cages” that are mentioned in “Into the Fire.” As a Christian, I am reminded we have a choice between Heaven or Hell.
In Mere Christianity C. S. Lewis taught us that pride was the “great sin” that leads to every other vice. The characters in Lewis’s The Great Divorce were reluctant to let go of their sins and attachments, showcasing how pride, resentment, and selfishness can prevent one from achieving redemption. This could be true of the character represented in “Into the Fire.”
My big takeaway from pondering all of this is the reminder of what C. S. Lewis told us in the preface to The Great Divorce: “I think earth, if chosen instead of Heaven, will turn out to have been, all along, only a region in Hell: and earth, if put second to Heaven, to have been from the beginning a part of Heaven itself.” God lets us choose!
Love And Understanding

Through my work at the Marion E. Wade Center I have become a huge fan of George MacDonald. His work had a big influence on C. S. Lewis. I am finding his work to influence me both professionally and spiritually. Right now I and reading and studying George MacDonald’s Lilith: A Romance.
MacDonald’s quote in the book, “to understand is not more wonderful than to love,” reflected a deep philosophical and spiritual insight. Essentially, MacDonald suggested that love has a higher, more profound value than mere understanding. At first I struggle with this, because I am such a believer in seeking to understand others, particularly from a leadership standpoint. Then, however, as I dug deeper into the context and really reflected I came to appreciate that while understanding involves intellect and knowledge—comprehending concepts, facts, or situations—love goes beyond the intellectual. It embodies compassion, connection, and a kind of wisdom that recognizes the intrinsic worth of others.
In the context of Lilith, this statement emphasized that true greatness or wonder lies not just in grasping ideas or truths, but in the capacity to love genuinely and unconditionally. Love can transform and elevate our experience of life, opening us up to deeper meaning and connection that understanding alone may not fully achieve. Therefore, MacDonald elevated love to a more divine or extraordinary realm, suggesting it holds a greater potential for fulfillment and wonder than simply understanding.
The Power of Ping-Ponging Ideas: Enhancing Community Collaboration

Today, during a discussion in the final day of a weeklong training of National FFA Teacher Ambassadors, one of the Ambassadors shared she loved the ping-ponging of ideas we did during the sessions. I was so proud to hear this because I really believe our work gets better in community. There is such power in heuristic learning and sharing. When I think of community and collaboration, I’m reminded of C. S. Lewis’s Inklings who provided J. R. R. Tolkien with encouragement and Lewis the right story.
In any vibrant community, innovation and progress often stem from dynamic conversations and the free exchange of ideas. One particularly effective method to foster this exchange is ping-ponging ideas — a process where thoughts, suggestions, and feedback bounce back and forth among members, much like a lively game of table tennis.
What Is Ping-Ponging Ideas?
Ping-ponging ideas involves collaborative brainstorming where participants actively listen, respond, and build upon each other’s contributions. Instead of linear discussions, this approach encourages a rhythm of giving and receiving, allowing ideas to evolve organically through continuous dialogue.
Why Is It Valuable for Communities?
- Encourages Creativity and Innovation: When ideas are bounced around, they often spark new perspectives and creative solutions that might not emerge in solitary thinking or one-sided discussions.
- Builds Collective Ownership: Engaging everyone in the idea-generation process fosters a sense of ownership and commitment to the community’s initiatives, leading to increased participation and support.
- Strengthens Relationships: Regular exchange of ideas creates connections among members, building trust and understanding that can translate into stronger collaboration.
- Facilitates Inclusive Decision-Making: Ping-ponging ensures diverse voices are heard, helping the community make more well-rounded and inclusive decisions.
- Accelerates Problem-Solving: As ideas bounce around, potential issues are identified early, and innovative solutions are quickly developed through collective input.
How Does Effective Ping-Ponging in Our Communities Make Our Work Better?
- Create Safe Spaces: Encourage open-mindedness where all members feel comfortable sharing their thoughts without judgment.
- Use Structured Formats: Organize brainstorming sessions with clear prompts or questions to guide the idea exchange.
- Leverage Technology: Utilize online platforms that facilitate real-time discussion and idea-sharing, especially for remote or hybrid communities.
- Promote Active Listening: Remind participants to attentively consider each contribution before responding, ensuring meaningful exchanges.
- Follow Up: Keep the momentum by revisiting ideas, giving feedback, and implementing viable suggestions.
Ping-ponging ideas is more than just a metaphor; it’s a powerful technique that nurtures collaboration, sparks innovation, and deepens community bonds. By embracing this dynamic exchange, communities can grow stronger, more creative, and better equipped to face challenges together.
We Are Not Nameless Nor Faceless

Today I heard the great song by Papa Roach, “Born For Greatness.” This song always reminds me of C. S. Lewis’s Till We Have Faces. Both the song and book remind us how important a clear and honest understanding of ourselves is. We are encouraged to live authentically and confidently knowing our uniqueness is our power.
I love the lines in “Born For Greatness,” “So if you’re running, stop running; One life, one chance, start living; Sing it louder just to let the world know; No we’re not nameless, we’re not faceless; We were born for greatness.” We cannot avoid life or opportunities out of fear or hesitation. We need to face things head-on.
We have only one life, so we need to make the most of it and live each day in a meaningful way. We are also reminded to be confident in showing who we are and sharing our voice. Every person has worth and unique qualities. We are not nameless. We are not faceless. As C. S. Lewis said in Till We Have Faces, “How can they meet us face to face till we have faces?” We were ALL born for greatness!
The Vision In A Dream

Yesterday, in Scarcity, I discussed my rereading of The Great Divorce by C. S. Lewis. The Great Divorce is an allegory that is an incredible example of Lewis’s imagination and deep thoughts about Heaven and Hell. Interestingly, Lewis puts himself in the book as narrator of the bus trip from Hell to Heaven. For this post I want to hone in on who Lewis picked to be his spiritual guide, or “Solid People”, as they are called in the book – George MacDonald.

MacDonald had a huge effect on Lewis from age 16 when he read Phantastes so was a fitting character for Lewis to pick. Lewis later said, “Picking up a copy of Phantastes one day at a train-station bookstall, I began to read. A few hours later, I knew that I had crossed a great frontier.” Lewis also said that, MacDonald’s Phantastes “baptized his imagination.” Having read Phantastes myself, I get it – amazing!
Lewis was born toward the end of MacDonald’s life, but the two’s path’s never crossed. Yet, here is a man, George MacDonald, who had a profound impact on Lewis’s faith as well as influencing him as a writer. In The Great Divorce, the narrator says, “…I tried, trembling to tell this man all that his writings had done for me” (p. 66). This is quite the reminder that we never know who we might be influencing. Lewis, who died the year I was born, has had a profound influence on me. If I could pick a spiritual guide in heaven, it would be C. S. Lewis.

As you can imagine, in The Great Divorce the narrator is asking MacDonald many questions. I believe through his answers Lewis is trying to help us understand there will be things we don’t know the answers to and we need to be okay with that. I loved it when MacDonald said, “Ye saw the choices a bit more clearly than ye could see them on Earth: the lens was clearer. But it was still seen through the lens. Do not ask of a vision in a dream more than a vision in a dream can give” (p. 144). That last sentence is powerful and emphasizes the limitations of our understanding and perceptions, especially in spiritual contexts, but also in our hopes and dreams for the here and now. We must remember that our dreams can provide insights or reflections on deeper truths, but they are not reality itself.
Scarcity

As part of my Continuing Scholars Program at the Marion E. Wade Center, I am rereading for the third or fourth time The Great Divorce by C. S. Lewis. The Great Divorce was inspired by Lewis’s reflections on the nature of heaven and hell, as well as his Christian beliefs regarding life after death. These reflections according to the preface came from Lewis having read William Blake’s The Marriage of Heaven and Hell. This book is so C. S. Lewis! He didn’t write the book to go against Blake, but to make sense of Blake’s views. At the beginning of the Preface Lewis wrote, “If I have written of their [heaven and hell] Divorce, this is not because I think myself a fit antagonist for so great a genius, nor even because I feel at all sure that I know what he meant” (p. VII). I love this because even as self-assured Lewis was he is being vulnerable with us. He is making sense of heaven hell with his readers. I like this vulnerability because it makes it okay for me at times to be able to say to myself, “I’m not sure I have a clue what he meant here.” But then I dig in and try to figure it out.

The philosophical allegory follows a bus ride from a dreary, grey town (representing hell) to a vibrant, beautiful landscape (representing heaven). As various characters disembark from the bus, they encounter people who have already made their choice to embrace or reject the divine. Through these encounters, Lewis explores themes such as free will, the nature of sin, redemption, and the human struggle with accepting divine grace.
One character in the book, Mr. Intelligent, said, “It’s scarcity that enables a society to exist.” This really intrigued me and caused me to ponder Lewis’s exploration of the themes of choice, desire, and the nature of reality in this book and others he wrote. Through Mr. Intelligent’s assertion, he seems to be highlighting the consequences of a materialistic worldview—emphasizing that an overemphasis on scarcity can lead to a disconnection from deeper spiritual truths and moral responsibilities.
Through Mr. Intelligent, Lewis introduces us to the idea that society relies on certain limitations or sacrifices to function. The notion of scarcity, in this context, suggests that when resources are limited, people must make choices and prioritize values, which can lead to the establishment of social structures, relationships, and communities.
We are invited, as readers, to reflect on our own choices and the consequences of those choices. Ultimately, Lewis was emphasizing that the path to spiritual fulfillment and joy lies in the acceptance of God’s love and truth.
Seeing The Monster

Yesterday evening I had the treat of attending the Ken & Jean Hanson Lectureship with Aubrey Buster, Ph.D. – “Here be Dragons”: C.S. Lewis and the Construction of the Monstrous. It was absolutely amazing and I jotted down several points for further pondering. One of the points Dr. Buster made was that monsters are that which is contrary to order. She was suggesting that monsters represent chaos, fear, or disruption in society and the natural world. They often symbolize things that challenge our understanding of normalcy, morality, or the established social order.

C.S. Lewis often used monsters and mythical creatures in his literary works to serve various narrative functions. These figures can represent internal struggles, moral dilemmas, and the battle between good and evil. In literature and mythology, monsters can embody societal fears or serve as a reflection of the human psyche, representing the unknown or repressed aspects of ourselves. Another point Dr. Buster made was that we must see the monster correctly to respond correctly.
As I reflected this morning I caught that I had even created a bit of a monster in Dr. Buster. I found myself feeling inferior to her vast knowledge. Then I needed to see the monster I had created correctly and realize that she should be talking way over my head when it comes to apocalyptic monsters. Not something I have ever studied in depth. That’s why I was attending the lecture – to learn! I was letting my envy create a monster. I’m sure I could begin to rattle off subjects of my studies that Dr. Buster might not be up to speed on. The real monster in this story was me terrorizing myself. To be clear, Dr. Buster is incredible and not a monster!
Essentially, these monsters are figures that disrupt the harmony of life, prompting us to confront our fears and question our assumptions about what is considered “normal.” I loved the discussion of C.S. Lewis’s monsters in Narnia that invite readers to reflect on their own fears and challenges, making the journey through Narnia a metaphor for personal and spiritual growth.
For instance, the White Witch embodies tyranny and oppression, serving as a formidable antagonist who challenges the protagonists’ courage and faith. Her presence forces characters like Aslan, Peter, and Lucy to confront their fears and make difficult choices, ultimately leading to personal growth and revelation. As Dr. Buster taught us, there are no new monsters, just those developed from envy, lust, greed and power.
Embracing Kindness: Lessons from C.S. Lewis on Navigating Disagreements

On Wednesday of this week I had the honor of collaborating with the National Association of State Boards of Education (NASBE) to facilitate a team building program for the Nebraska State Board of Education. This was a very engaged group of leaders and we had some incredible discussions. One of our norms for the day was to always assume positive intentions. We discussed how as individuals on a board we may have different ideologies and ideas, but that all ultimately wanted to improve education for all students. Education is so complex and we sometimes have different opinions on how to best get the work done.

These discussions reminded me of the work of C. S. Lewis in The Weight of Glory when he spoke of separating the person from the person’s opinion. In that essay, Lewis emphasized the importance of understanding and valuing individuals beyond their viewpoints or beliefs. He suggested that it is crucial to recognize the inherent dignity of each person, regardless of whether we agree with their opinions or not. This perspective encourages compassion and empathy in discussions and interactions.
I pondered what advice Lewis might give to the group I was working with related to making the separation of the person from the person’s opinions. Lewis understood the complexities of human nature and the challenges people face in separating individuals from their beliefs. He might have suggested that it is important to recognize the humanity in each person, even when their views differ significantly from our own. He could have emphasized the idea that everyone is on a personal journey shaped by their experiences, and that seeking to understand the reasons behind someone’s beliefs can foster empathy.
Lewis often highlighted the importance of love and compassion in his work, so he might have encouraged that individual to approach disagreements with a spirit of kindness, reminding them that no one is entirely defined by their opinions. Instead, he would likely advocate for engaging in thoughtful dialogue and striving to see the good in others, which could help bridge divides and promote understanding.
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